5 Top Wellness Tips for Moms with The Wellness Mama


Wellness Tips for Moms
Jonathan: Hey, everybody. Jonathan Bailor back with another bonus Smarter Science of Slim show. Very excited about the guest joining us today because she is just radiant. If you go on her website, she is always smiling. Sheâs just beaming out healthiness and positivity. And itâs also reflected in her online pseudonym. She is known as the Wellness Mama. Her first name is Kate, and she is just so passionate about helping people sort through all the bad health advice that we have out there. And her life is a bit of an open book. Sheâs a wife, sheâs a mom of five, sheâs an amateur chef, sheâs a real food crusader. She can actually finally do a pull up, which is exciting, and she is a chronic abuser of elliptical trainers. And she just likes reading medical journals, like me, in her free time. Sheâs just a crusader to help people live better lives and thatâs why weâve got to share her story.
Katie, the Wellness Mama, welcome to the show.
Katie: Thank you so much for having me.
Jonathan: Itâs absolutely my pleasure. Katie, and should I call you the Wellness Mama, or should I call you Katie?
Katie: Katie is great.
Jonathan: Okay. Well, can you tell us a little bit about your story and how Wellness Mama, and then the website Wellness Mama came to be?
Katie: Sure. It was actually sort of an accident. My degree was in nutrition, and I was doing one-on-one nutrition practice with clients for a long time. And then once I had five kids, that got really difficult, and I was having a lot of trouble being away from them to do consulting, but I still loved working with clients. So since I had taken a step back from the one-on-one practice, I started putting recipes and articles and different information online for clients so that I wouldnât have to recreate that every time they asked a question or every time they had a problem. I could just send them what was already there.
And it was never really the plan to have a huge online presence or anything. I just wanted to put that information out there to help people. I think I kind of hit Facebook and Pinterest when they got huge, and so things took off. Iâm having to go backwards and figure out all the tech side and the business side because I never really said, I want to build this huge online presence. It just kind of happened. Itâs been wonderful. The reason itâs worth it to me and the five a. m. mornings getting up to write is I love getting the emails from people I never met that hopefully something on my site has helped them.
Jonathan: Katie, youâre a great example of â you put the mission and the content first, and often we can be surprised as to how quickly things blossom when we have that mission in focus. And your mission is very clear. You have a goal to provide your family and really everyone elseâs family with the healthiest foods and lifestyle possible, and your effort to do that and digging into the research rather than just what weâre all told in popular press has led you to what some may think are counter-intuitive conclusions, but those who are versed in the science know to be quite obvious. So can you share some of that with us?
Katie: Yeah, that was a big aha moment for me, realizing a lot of the stuff I was taught in school was not actually backed by the science we have now, and seeing what I was taught in school was not helping people and in some cases it was making them worse. I had a whole run of clients in a row with autoimmune issues and hormonal imbalances and things like Crohnâs disease, and I was realizing that my normal advice was doing nothing for them. And so I really started researching and delving into the medical journals.
And then another aha moment for me was our third son â I had placenta previa, and we didnât know it. So he ended up being an emergency C-section, and he and I both almost died. But he was in a NICU for a week, and the first things that ever went in his body were steroids and antibiotics. And Iâm sure you know from a gut bacteria standpoint thatâs about as bad as it can get. So I had to really delve into the research on gut bacteria and how that could affect his mental health and his attitude and his digestion and once he started eating real food was having allergies to a lot of different things.
So that started a whole journey for me of reversing his allergies, which thankfully weâve done now, and heâs completely recovered and heâs doing wonderful. But that was a whole new world that I had never been exposed to. Having my own child go through that gave me the motivation to really research it and to help him, and I realized this information could be so helpful to a lot of other parents especially because a lot of them are just not being given the information on how much food can impact every aspect of their lives, their childrenâs lives. And so I really wanted to get that information out there, especially to other moms, that there is hope for a lot of these things. Theyâre not a lifelong diagnosis.
Jonathan: Katie, that is such an inspirational message, and at the risk of maybe getting you amped up, because it might be hard to not get amped up here, but you talk about the importance and the power we have when making choices not only for ourselves, but potentially even more importantly for small, developing people who really need good nutrition. We live in a culture where kidsâ foods and childrenâs menus are defined by â correct me if Iâm wrong â the processed garbage that is toxic for anyone, let alone those who are most in need of good nutrition, aka growing people.
Katie: I definitely agree. It drives me absolutely nuts, and I think thatâs one of my big points that I always try to make with moms is we assume that kids arenât going to like healthier foods and so we cater to them with these kid-friendly foods that, like you said, are complete junk. Thereâs no nutrition in them whatsoever. And we expect that kids arenât going to like vegetables and theyâre not going to want to eat protein. Theyâre just going to want chicken nuggets and French fries.
Iâve had the exact opposite experience with mine, especially my younger ones. Iâve known more about this when they were little and just learning how to eat. They started off with things like bone broth and avocado and even coconut oil and grassfed butter, just really, really nutrient-dense powerhouses, so even if they were just taking a few bites a day, learning how to eat, I knew they were still getting a ton of nutrition from it. Most of the kidsâ foods that are marketed, everything in the grocery store, itâs just chemicals and food dyes and artificial fats and artificial colors and artificial flavors.
That zero-to-five age is when theyâre developing their entire nutritional foundation for the rest of their lives. Thatâs pretty much set in stone. Dr. Cate Shanahan talks about that in the book Deep Nutrition, which I think is a great read for moms. But what they eat at that age can literally determine their gene expression for the rest of their life. Whether theyâre going to have genetic expression of certain diseases they may be predisposed to, or whether theyâre going to have genetic expression for being obese. And so their diet in those early years, and their momâs diet when theyâre pregnant is extremely important for that.
So I go to great lengths and probably get a little obsessive with focusing on my kidsâ nutrition because I realize whatever I feed them when theyâre young, especially before theyâre five, is going to be ten times more important than what they may eat when theyâre in college. If they have a horrible diet then, if I can give them that gift now that I may not be able to give them later, hopefully thatâs still building their strong foundation.
Jonathan: So Katie, itâs hard for anyone to argue with what you just said. I mean, it is obviously true, and itâs so encouraging that we can give our children this gift, but I know you must deal with this every single day, and thatâs the pushback of âI agree with this in principleâ â Iâm not saying this for myself. I do agree with this in principle, but you must have people who say, âI agree with this in principle, but I just donât have time or I donât have the money.â What do you say to those individuals?
Katie: Well, I often have to give a little bit of tough love and ask them, well, do you ever go out to eat? And do you ever spend money on superfluous things? Because the food youâre eating is so important for your overall health that you can be reducing medical expenses or other expenses if youâre focusing on the food. And weâve been on very tight budgets at times, and you can still make stir-frys out of frozen vegetables and buy meat and just stretch it. And you donât have to feed them the processed foods. And it doesnât even have to take that much more time if you plan it. So thatâs always my biggest tip for moms is that you have to have the structure, and you have to have the plan.
And when we went through the really intense, restrictive diet with my son to heal his allergies, I realized that the only way Iâm going to survive this is if I have a really detailed plan. So I found seven meals that were allergy-free and that I knew were fine for him. And I cooked those on a certain day. So Monday was this, and Tuesday was this, and so I knew ahead of time. There was no stress about planning it. My shopping list was exactly the same every week, I made sure I always had the foods on hand, and the kids just got used to eating it. And so they were fine with it, and they would look forward to soup day, or whatever day they liked the most. But the structure is what got me through that.
So thatâs what I tell moms, especially if theyâre on a really tight budget, is find seven meals that fit your budget, that are healthy, that donât take forever to prepare â a lot of times stir-frys and soups are great for that, and just alternate days of the week for as long as you have to to get your family adjusted to it or until your budget is a little bigger at some point. But if it really is priority for you, just make that plan and stick to it.
Jonathan: Katie, I love that advice about that a little bit of structure, little bit of consistency, and cooking in bulk can really â because I think the challenge we sometimes face is oh my god, whatâs for dinner? And when you donât know, then itâs this panic, okay, just grab that processed mac ânâ cheese off the shelf. But if you just spend even twenty to thirty minutes just saying, okay, what will work? And maybe thereâs a rough patch that week, so you refine it the next week. You spend thirty minutes a week for three weeks evolving this approach, and then youâre good. Then youâve got the plan and you donât even need to think about it any more if you donât want to moving forward. Whatâs for dinner tonight? is answered.
Katie: Exactly. And that also lets you not waste any ingredients so you can stretch your budget farther. For us, we do roasted chicken on Monday nights, with vegetables. And then I save the bones. They go in a crock pot with the leftover vegetables and become bone broth, then we keep going all week and drink the bone broth with eggs in it for breakfast as egg drop soup, or just a mug of it at lunch, and thatâs so nutritious and it costs nothing because most people just throw the bones away. So youâre reusing something that most people would not even use, and youâre getting all that added nutrition.
Jonathan: And it simplifies your life so much because I know sometimes when I go visit my hometown, and I watch my mother, who doesnât necessarily practice this lifestyle as much â sheâs definitely getting better, but not yet â itâs always, what am I going to get at the grocery store? Thereâs all these decision points and itâs worry about â oh, what am I going to do? What am I going to do? Whereas if itâs my wife and I, we have â hereâs what we buy at the grocery store every single week. Hereâs what we get off Amazon Subscribe & Save, every single month. And itâs just easy. Itâs simple. Itâs just simple.
Katie: Exactly. And I think thatâs why a lot of these weight loss plans you see that people use or different nutritional plans â I donât necessarily agree with the foods theyâre recommending, but a lot of them do work because theyâre providing the structure. And thatâs what a lot of people need, that structure, that consistency, to be able to stick to it. I think that really the challenge is not even that â knowing what to eat or the eating of the healthy foods. Itâs consistently sticking to that, like you said, those times when itâs âwhatâs for dinner?â You only have half an hour, and thatâs when a plan then comes in.
Jonathan: And Katie, as a mother of five, you certainly have a relatively large sample set of kids to speak about here, so what has been your experience with â youâve created a structure in your home. But obviously your children are not always in your home. How do they then act outside the home? How do you deal with things like trick-or-treat or like sugary, processed snacks being brought into school, things like that?
Katie: Well, I think you have to differentiate a little bit. Like if you have a child with food allergies or if youâre working on intensively healing gut problems, I treat that differently than a child who doesnât have those issues. Because for those children even just a little mistake or a little cheat can be a big problem until they reverse those. But for children who donât have those severe issues, my focus is â I donât do the 80/20. I do 95/5. So at home I know that everything they get is going to be solid and allergy free and organic because theyâre getting a ton of nutrition in every meal at home.
And I also go to great lengths to educate them. We always try to make, especially dinnertime, but usually breakfast too, a family activity, even my husband. And let that be bonding time and time spent with the family, and teaching them eggs taste good but they also have choline in them. They have good cholesterol and they have healthy fats. And helping the kids understand, because I think a lot of times we donât really give kids credit. They have the ability to understand a lot. So teaching them from a really young age that food is first for nutrition and health, and secondly for taste, we need to try to learn to love all these healthy foods, even things like liver that most kids would be like, âEw, Iâm not eating it.â But teach them all the vitamins that are in that and why itâs so good for them, and let them start making that choice to learn to like it themselves.
And so by educating them, when theyâre in situations away from home that Iâm not in control of, sometimes certainly they might choose the unhealthy choice, but a lot of the times Iâve seen my kids say, âYou know, I know that I donât feel good when I eat that. So Iâm going to stick with the veggie tray or hard-boiled eggs.â Because thereâs usually at least one good option they can find, and I make sure to pack healthy snacks for them. But I think really the keyâs education, and just teaching them that food is about the nutrition first and the enjoyment second. And not just letting it be a reward for everything â if they good grades, they get ice cream, and on their birthday they get all this sugary junk â and just starting with the education really young.
Jonathan: Katie, what you just described is so transformational and empowering, because if Iâm hearing you correctly, we can â what a lot of people do is indirectly communicate to their children that healthy food is âbadâ and unhealthy food is âgood.â What I mean by that is âyou canât have this until you eat your vegetablesâ is basically like saying, âvegetables are devastating and the negative connotation put upon them just persists throughout the rest of the childâs life. And then the dessert or the ice cream or the candy bar, thatâs âgoodâ food while the vegetables are âbadâ food. But what youâre saying is you can actually teach and involve your children in saying, you know what? No, healthy is delightful. Thatâs the good stuff. Thatâs the stuff that makes you feel good, and then you donât need to restrict them or reward them because they want to be healthy and happy.
Katie: Exactly. And not creating those emotional connections â I see a lot of kids that, like, foodâs always a reward. So anything good they do, any birthday, any happy moment is rewarded by sugary food. And thatâs creating that association in their head that any time â a good feeling is associated with junk food. And so Iâve seen people in college, when I was in college, if they were upset or they were stressed, they turned to junk food. That was that mental connection in their head. Those things made them feel good. Those were happy times, so when they wanted happy times, they thought about junk food.
And I just have been really cautious that I donât want to create that association with my kids. Just teach them that healthy foods can be delicious, but the other day I had to laugh because my kids asked what was for dinner. And I said broccoli and other stuff, and they were like, âYay! Broccoli!â I mean, I have a three-year-old whoâs excited about broccoli. Itâs totally possible. Theyâre just normal kids, and I think teaching them and letting them be part of that planning â another thing that since weâre on as strict of a diet, I have a lot of meals on index cards, and I let them help pick, or weâll talk about, âHey, who knows a food that has vitamin A in it? What could we find that has vitamin A in it?â And let them just be part of the planning process too, so they feel invested in it. In the summer, we have a garden, and they help grow it. So they have a vested interest, because they helped make that food.
And I think we just need to give kids more credit, because they really will, a lot of times, make the healthy choices if theyâre taught the importance of why to make them, and not forced to eat the vegetables and not given all these negative connotations, like you said, with healthy food, whereas the junk food is considered the treat, or the good thing. I think that creates a really unhealthy mental attitude about food.
Jonathan: Brilliant. Kids like feeling good just like adults like feeling good. That makes a lot of sense. Well, Katie, we could totally talk all day. This is just a wealth of helpful information for some situations which I know most people find to be the most challenging. I can make this work for me, but how do I make it work for my family? And I know you have a bunch of additional resources on your website, WellnessMama.com, that individuals can check out.
But whatâs next for you and for Wellness Mama?
Katie: Thatâs a good question. Like I said, Iâve been trying to figure this out kind of backwards. I am in the process of redesigning. I have a meal plan subscription that Iâve in the past offered mainly to my clients, and Iâm in the process of having it built from the ground up so it can be used by anyone. There will be preplanned meals each week like I talked about with the very structured â for certain allergies or for certain diets that people need to follow. But then it also has a meal planner that they can plan their own. Just drag and drop and itâll give them a shopping list thatâll show up on their phone. They can just check it off. So thatâll be a resource for planning. Iâm hopefully launching that the first of the year.
And then weâre also in the process of creating wellness media, because my ultimate mission is I want to change the health of Americans and of the world. I realize obviously no one person can do this, so Iâm trying to gather a network of other bloggers and other nutrition professionals and health experts to give us a collective reach thatâs bigger. And so itâs going to have resources for bloggers to help them grow their presence, because the more of us out there spreading this message, the more people are going to hear it. So thatâll be totally free, just for bloggers to help them get bigger.
From that, weâre going to be creating a website that has a resource of just all this helpful information that they can find through these other peopleâs sites. So thatâs an exciting project that weâre launching really soon. Iâm so excited to see the changes that will come from these other bloggers, because there are so many wonderful new bloggers. I just canât wait to help them get big, because they have such great messages.
Jonathan: Well, Katie, Iâm curious. Do you have a blue spandex suit with a red âSâ on it? Because thatâs a ridiculous amount of work for a mom of five to take on. So kudos to you. Itâs very clear that this is much more to you â this is a mission, this is why youâre here on the earth. I canât imagine anyone else being able to put that much of themselves into something unless they believed it with their heart in addition to their mind, so kudos to you, madam. Thatâs awesome.
Katie: Thank you.
Jonathan: And where again can folks go to stay up to date on all things Wellness Mama?
Katie: My website is WellnessMama.com, and thereâs a place there that they can sign up for my email list if they want to get updates on all the new projects that are going to be coming out or just my articles that go out each week. And itâs still in beta, but Wellness-Media.com is the one for other bloggers, health professionals, and that should be hopefully going live within about a week.
Jonathan: Brilliant. Well, Katie, thank you so much for joining us today for these awesome tips and insights, and for being just a wonderful example of that we can all change and improve the lives of so many people, and no better example of that are the little people that we create and that weâre responsible for. So, Katie the Wellness Mama over at WellnessMama.com, thank you so much for joining us today.
Katie: Thank you so much for having me.
Jonathan: Listeners, I hope you enjoyed this wonderful conversation with the Wellness Mama as much as I did. And please remember this week and every week after: eat smarter, exercise smarter, and live better. Chat with you soon.
